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In yet another example (see yesterday's post) of people not being held responsible for their own actions, Chevy's has to pay $1.5 million to a family who son died in a car accident after drinking himself silly at their establishment.

Ok, he was 20, and that is Chevy's fault for not verifying. Thats where their blame stops. Lets try to remember that the kid broke the law by drinking underage, but you can't say anything negative about a dead person, its just not respectful...or something. I will NEVER hold a restaurant accountable for supplying alcohol to people when they request it. Its not their fucking job to determine who is drunk and who isn't. Because of that idea that has gotten out of hand, anyone can keep drinking into a stupor and then blame whoever it was that served them for allowing it. Thats insane.

I loved the quote by the parents' attorney: "The program has the consequence of saving lives and that's exactly what the family wanted," Poswall said. Yeah, that $1.5 million is just a bonus. Don't worry though, they initially slapped a $25 million lawsuit on Chevy's. Thats how much their son's life was worth to them.

Ok, people, drinking is a problem. But its not universities, restaurants, or any other business' job to police it. Its up to the people doing the drinking. I wish courts would understand that.
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jesterstear From: jesterstear Date: January 21st, 2003 08:50 am (UTC) (Link)
Let me say up front that I agree that the lawsuit is total bullshit.

HOWEVER...

I loved the quote by the parents' attorney: "The program has the consequence of saving lives and that's exactly what the family wanted," Poswall said. Yeah, that $1.5 million is just a bonus. Don't worry though, they initially slapped a $25 million lawsuit on Chevy's. Thats how much their son's life was worth to them.

Dude, that's the only way you can teach a company a lesson - hit them in the profit margin. This lawsuit might be bullshit, but as a general rule I fully support massive financial hits to guilty companies.
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jesterstear From: jesterstear Date: January 21st, 2003 09:44 am (UTC) (Link)

Re:

The McDonald's coffee lawsuit, for one.

McDonald's was serving the coffee at a temperature out of the safety range (40 degrees higher), they were warned that liquid at that temperature would cause severe burns, they had numerous complaints about people getting burned, yet they never learned their lesson.

Gross negligence should be punished.
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jesterstear From: jesterstear Date: January 21st, 2003 09:55 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: ~eyeroll~

1. The car was stopped, it was not moving.

2. If the liquid had been served at a safe temperature, as other establishments serve it (135-140 degrees) and not at a dangerous temperature (180-190 degrees), the woman would have had time to pull the soaked clothing away from her skin and wouldn't have been burned. Instead, she got instant full thickness burns. This would have happened if someone was just sitting at the table and knocked the coffee over and it spilled on their hand.

Here, read this before you roll your eyes at me and demonstrate no knowledge of what you're talking about:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
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jesterstear From: jesterstear Date: January 21st, 2003 10:20 am (UTC) (Link)

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next time you want to demonstrate how smrt you are by insulting someone else, you might want to answer the question at hand first.

Hmmm, let's see here, the questions from you:

1. so if the lawsuit is bullshit, then what exactly qualifies as a 'guilty' company?

I answered: "The McDonald's coffee lawsuit, for one."

2. so anyone that puts a hot cup of coffee between their legs in a moving car, then gets burned as a result, is entitled to exorbitant amounts of money?

I answered: "The car was stopped, it was not moving." I also gave you a link to a site that explained the misconceptions that lead to your question.

Now who's the "smrt" one?


however, i will bow to your superior knowledge of all things mcdonald's, and leave it at that.

In other words, you know that you were wrong, and you just have to have one more bitchy thing to say because I hurt your little ego. How sad.
suffocated From: suffocated Date: January 21st, 2003 10:12 am (UTC) (Link)
i'm a bit confused - do you think Chevy's was in the wrong here?
jesterstear From: jesterstear Date: January 21st, 2003 10:21 am (UTC) (Link)

Re:

Let me quote the first line of my reply:

Let me say up front that I agree that the lawsuit is total bullshit.
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suffocated From: suffocated Date: January 21st, 2003 10:11 am (UTC) (Link)
i left debate months ago because i couldn't handle the lack of manners. it was 90% ad hominem i think, and 2% honest discussion. the last 8% was miscellaneous i guess.
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suffocated From: suffocated Date: January 21st, 2003 10:27 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: *snort*

lauren is starting wars in my journal. make her stop it!!!!!

wait nevermind. i thought it was funny this entry had 7 comments and none were from me when i checked it.
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suffocated From: suffocated Date: January 21st, 2003 11:33 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: *lol*

web-based email, not something like outlook constantly checking for new mail :\ that would be WAY cooler
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suffocated From: suffocated Date: January 21st, 2003 01:14 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: heehee...

i have considered taking scott off my friends list on more the one occasion, merely because there seems to be too much that he gets worked up about.

its probably also because i have basically decided not to care about anything political for the most part, and i let people's overall stupidity kinda just blow by me now.

but you're right, the tendency to use the "i'm right and you're stupid, which means you can't possibly convince me otherwise" tactic wears thin at times.

meh, enough of this. strong opinions are always fun.

(scott, this is no way an attack on you, i hope you realize that)
From: ex_consequen376 Date: January 21st, 2003 12:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
the Emeryville-based corporation also will contribute $50,000 to fund an alcohol awareness program at CSUS

If the children weren't well-aware that alcohol caused intoxication, they wouldn't be drinking the shit. Furthermore, a fucking ten-year-old can tell you that drinking and driving is a no-no.

one of four Northern California university students known to have died over the past two years as a result of alcohol abuse and binge drinking.


The school admits that he ABUSED alcohol, yet Chevy's ends up blamed?

Growing awareness of the problem, which contributes to the deaths of an estimated 1,400 college students each year, has pressured colleges nationwide to find solutions.

Kicking out anyone at all who's known to use alcohol underage would be a wake-up call to the students, I think.

charging the restaurant with "regularly" serving liquor to underage patrons.

I agree that they're wrong, for that. That's unprofessional. However, the children who attempt to buy it are WELL AWARE that they should not.

In closing, idiots should not be allowed near substances that make them into bigger idiots.
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